Some-mist

[SOME-MIST]

the form wasn't working so I had to post here.
STEAMID: STEAM_0:1:3031099
SOME MIST
Admin: Plude220
Reason: Hacking
Ever Banned Before: No
Warned: No

first off I want to say how I'm disappointed. I've been playing on your servers for quite a long time now.

Baned for multiple reasons Tking being one of them some mist and insects both toggle hacks witch I and others have heard them talk about ive been watching them for sometime now as they are allways on together working together they are allso on hidden fourms for tking on other servers.

according to your server logs, I've only tked a person once on stalkyard:
http://www.2frag4fun.net/stats/hidden/player.php?id=11922

as you can see, your server logs provide my type of playing style. I know how to phys kill, do 500 phys kill one shots, and so on. The bonus to being good at this is being able to predict what the hidden is going to be able to do.

anyways, I can provide over 20 demo's displaying my skills and what I'm capable of doing for your investigating, I can send those via AIM or email.

Also, I don't know how you could have heard about us toggling because we don't use mics and rarely type in MM1. If you didn't realize it, me and insects are lanning at the same place, hence the same IP address. I've taught him, along with some raab and jeembomb and I learned from people like QuickLikeABunny and Wuped. Not to mention, we were playing in the expert server.

I'd also like to mention that we weren't warned even once or accused for that matter. No one voiced their concerns to us and we were just perma-banned. Kind of disappointed in the admins you have working for your servers :/

I tried adding plude220 to steam friends to sort this out, but he seems to not want to accept my invitation.

[SOME-MIST]

also, I'd like to show that I have a huge hack-freehistory on my steamid.

http://tracker.thecatacombs.net/?steamid=STEAM_0:1:3031099%20&sort=default&details=1&start=0
I know this only shows TFC matches I've played, but it shows that how much time I've put on my steamid. I shouldn't be forced to have to buy a new steamid to play on your servers when your admins don't even understand the mechanics of the game.

[Plude220]

I have sources that watch out for me when im not in server and they have told me about you and insects im not sure whats up with you 2 but your allso on hidden fourms for tking.

If your hacking your not going to get a warning hacking is automatic perm ban no questions asked.

http://forum.hidden-source.com/showthread.php?t=10635

Ive unbaned you. Keep it clean on the server some mist.

[SOME-MIST]

okay, well what's the deal? why do you keep saying that we toggle? do you have any demos or any proof of the toggling or tking? I see you speccing me from time to time (you jumped in at least 3 times the day you banned me). You seem to have trouble understanding my specific play style.

And I don't TK, so please try to prove that I do. As I've shown you, throughout the entire time I've played on the 2frag4fun servers, I've accidentally TKed someone once.

you on the other hand have 13 team kills on hdn_physics_arena_v5 by itself, and and 29 tks total, and I'm the one accused of TKing?

[Plude220]

Im not just speaking of 2frag servers you have 4 hours in 2 frag servers i have over 90 hours ive been playing this game along time and your testing my nerves this discussion is over.

[SOME-MIST]

90 hours on one server and you can't tell that I play legit?

[AfroDan]

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the form wasn't working so I had to post here.
Ya i think its broke.

first off I want to say how I'm disappointedthis would be 2nd you started with the form wasnt working.

I've been playing on your servers for quite a long time now.
Well the "server logs" say you only have played almost 4 hours that doesn't sound like a long time.

according to your server logs, I've only tked a person once on stalkyard:
http://www.2frag4fun.net/stats/hidden/player.php?id=11922The stats call them stats because that is what they are stats not logs let me say again they are stats not logs damn that has bugged me. The stats also say you havent been seen since Feb 5 2009. sounds like the stats might not be telling the whole truth.

as you can see, your server logs provide my type of playing style. I know how to phys kill, do 500 phys kill one shots, and so on. The bonus to being good at this is being able to predict what the hidden is going to be able to do.stats dont tell me your play style. it says you have phys kills so does ritlin bfd. I dont call it being good knowing that most people crouch as hidden but hey add me to that list of skill

anyways, I can provide over 20 demo's displaying my skills and what I'm capable of doing for your investigating, I can send those via AIM or email.i can give you 40000 demos of me playing good and not hacking it still is not a demo of you at the time of question.

Also, I don't know how you could have heard about us toggling because we don't use mics and rarely type in MM1. If you didn't realize it, me and insects are lanning at the same place, hence the same IP address. I've taught him, along with some raab and jeembomb and I learned from people like QuickLikeABunny and Wuped. Not to mention, we were playing in the expert server.expert server - just means it is not a server the admins don't have to dummy down their game. ghosting is frowned upon btw. :P

I'd also like to mention that we weren't warned even once or accused for that matter. No one voiced their concerns to us and we were just perma-banned. Kind of disappointed in the admins you have working for your servers :/ok Ill tell them that they need to warn would be hackers to stop hacking or i will spectate you make a demo and ban you... Ya ok. your friend has been warned by atac and since you are lanning together quite often i would think you would know oh and a play like yourself that plays on our server as much as you would know about the no tk rule. ADMINS enforce tk rule harsher than atac

I tried adding plude220 to steam friends to sort this out, but he seems to not want to accept my invitation.
I did not know you were friends... He doesn't have to add you its not required by us

also, I'd like to show that I have a huge hack-freehistory on my steamid.

http://tracker.thecatacombs.net/?steamid=STEAM_0:1:3031099%20&sort=default&details=1&start=0
I know this only shows TFC matches I've played, but it shows that how much time I've put on my steamid. I shouldn't be forced to have to buy a new steamid to play on your servers when your admins don't even understand the mechanics of the game.
I have a huge hack free history too I have never been banned for hacking EVER. Doesnt mean I have never used, show or demonstrated them?




okay, well what's the deal? why do you keep saying that we toggle? do you have any demos or any proof of the toggling or tking? I see you speccing me from time to time (you jumped in at least 3 times the day you banned me). You seem to have trouble understanding my specific play style.or maybe he was checking your play style like a good admin does?.?.?.

And I don't TK, so please try to prove that I do. ok
I've accidentally TKed someone once.Proof that was easy

you on the other hand have 13 team kills on hdn_physics_arena_v5 by itself, and and 29 tks total, and I'm the one accused of TKing?Wait I have... 22... do I need to be banned... no.. If I want to punish someone for being a tard tker I tk them for a few rounds... or until they leave. they normally leave after round 2-3


90 hours on one server and you can't tell that I play legit?I have played HL games with a lot of people sometimes friends and wonder if they dont hack every now and again... so why even ask a stupid question. He doesn't sit behind you. So he doesn't truly know.



Now the proper thing to do is not ask stupid questions of a admin that was so nice to unban you because someone like me comes along and sees that you are upset about being banned understandable... but pushing you luck.
I just saw the bans and and wanted to reban you for a month before I came and saw this post. Now I want a longer one for your what looks like to me a lack of gratitude for the nice way he unbanned you himself without letting me get to even get a word in. If you have a problem please feel free to talk to me I work out problems that players have with admins. Its my job and it saves players from being banned for flaming and being disrespectful to admins.

[SOME-MIST]

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Ya i think its broke.

this would be 2nd you started with the form wasnt working.


Well the "server logs" say you only have played almost 4 hours that doesn't sound like a long time.

The stats call them stats because that is what they are stats not logs let me say again they are stats not logs damn that has bugged me. The stats also say you haven't been seen since Feb 5 2009. sounds like the stats might not be telling the whole truth.

stats dont tell me your play style. it says you have phys kills so does ritlin bfd. I dont call it being good knowing that most people crouch as hidden but hey add me to that list of skill

i can give you 40000 demos of me playing good and not hacking it still is not a demo of you at the time of question.

expert server - just means it is not a server the admins don't have to dummy down their game. ghosting is frowned upon btw. :P


"ok Ill tell them that they need to warn would be hackers to stop hacking or i will spectate you make a demo and ban you... Ya ok. your friend has been warned by atac and since you are lanning together quite often i would think you would know oh and a play like yourself that plays on our server as much as you would know about the no tk rule. ADMINS enforce tk rule harsher than atac"

I did not know you were friends... He doesn't have to add you its not required by us


I have a huge hack free history too I have never been banned for hacking EVER. Doesnt mean I have never used, show or demonstrated them?




or maybe he was checking your play style like a good admin does?.?.?.

ok
Proof that was easy

Wait I have... 22... do I need to be banned... no.. If I want to punish someone for being a tard tker I tk them for a few rounds... or until they leave. they normally leave after round 2-3


I have played HL games with a lot of people sometimes friends and wonder if they dont hack every now and again... so why even ask a stupid question. He doesn't sit behind you. So he doesn't truly know.



Now the proper thing to do is not ask stupid questions of a admin that was so nice to unban you because someone like me comes along and sees that you are upset about being banned understandable... but pushing you luck.
I just saw the bans and and wanted to reban you for a month before I came and saw this post. Now I want a longer one for your what looks like to me a lack of gratitude for the nice way he unbanned you himself without letting me get to even get a word in. If you have a problem please feel free to talk to me I work out problems that players have with admins. Its my job and it saves players from being banned for flaming and being disrespectful to admins.


"Well the "server logs" say you only have played almost 4 hours that doesn't sound like a long time."
The server stats never reset? Because total over the past 3 years, I've got WAY more than 4 hours on your servers.


"stats dont tell me your play style. it says you have phys kills so does ritlin bfd. I dont call it being good knowing that most people crouch as hidden but hey add me to that list of skill"
recorded demos show a players play style, and when I've got more phys kills than knife kills, I think it says a lot.
but wheres the demo that the admin should have recorded? http://forum.hidden-source.com/showthread.php?t=10646 he was able to make a demo for the guy accused after me. Where's mine? Guess what, he doesn't have it because he's been making it all up. That isn't the case? provide me with a demo. It apparently isn't too hard to do for him for other people, and he spectated me for at least 5 rounds. So back up your accusations plude.



"expert server - just means it is not a server the admins don't have to dummy down their game. ghosting is frowned upon btw. :P"

I don't ghost.

"Wait I have... 22... do I need to be banned... no.. If I want to punish someone for being a tard tker I tk them for a few rounds... or until they leave. they normally leave after round 2-3"
according to plude220's admining, yes, you should be banned, because not only did I not TK anyone the entire session that I played and was banned, but I was banned for "hacking". What proof? What hacks? and if he hasn't recorded a demo, why has he been spreading these rumors on the hidden;source forums? when I first was going to post on here, I was originally going to act in a professional manner, however, once I saw your immature admin spreading rumors on the hidden-source forums, my manners go right out the window. It's unfortunate that your stuck defending such an immature admin.


"I have played HL games with a lot of people sometimes friends and wonder if they dont hack every now and again... so why even ask a stupid question. He doesn't sit behind you. So he doesn't truly know."
It's actually very easy to tell if a person is hacking, especially if you've been playing for so long. As soon as someone is using shaders, you can tlel instantly playing as the hidden. Spectating/recording a demo is an effective way of reviewing a player. The first big clue would be a person who doesn't have trouble seeing the hidden, yet can't control the 617 effectively. Hidden is way easier to tell if someone is hacking than it is in a game like CS or TFC. WAY easier.


"i can give you 40000 demos of me playing good and not hacking it still is not a demo of you at the time of question."
yes, but if my demo's display my quick IRIS kills, and one shot phys kills. like I've said, it shows what I'm capable of doing. It's not to show you that I hack or don't hack, it's to show you the skill level I'm at in the game and may clear up some questionable scenarios. but hey I guess you'll see it when it's in an avi. And since you're being so uncooperative, I don't think I will share those regardless if you wanted them now or not.

I'm also assuming you don't know who QLAB or Wuped is either since you apparently haven't seen my name around.


How about this, how about you take a look at the demo that plude220 recorded of my "hacking"? He has proof for other people he has banned, wheres mine?


I know you have to support your admins, but how you can't see how big of a retard plude220 is, is beyond me? He doesn't even know server console commands, but I'm glad you're at least confident in your admins

"I did not know you were friends... He doesn't have to add you its not required by us"
I wanted to discuss what happened because my friend was kicked for TKing and we were both banned without a warning. So no warning for the tk, but the main reason was for "hacking"....is that some sort of loophole? That way we can be banned without being warned regardless if there's proof or not?
no proof such as a demo, I mean, plude220 says we talk about "toggling" like idiots ingame. from an admins perspective wouldn't you record a demo or take screenshots of the chat if that was the case? Well guess what, there's no way he provide you with a screenshot or a demo because it never happened.
and you think I would want to be friends with that tard? I hope you were joking.

"ok Ill tell them that they need to warn would be hackers to stop hacking or i will spectate you make a demo and ban you... Ya ok. your friend has been warned by atac and since you are lanning together quite often i would think you would know oh and a play like yourself that plays on our server as much as you would know about the no tk rule. ADMINS enforce tk rule harsher than atac"

As I keep saying watch the demo then. When my friend got kicked for tking, plude220 had around 10 hp and my friend did 99 damage to the hidden. Plude got furious even though insects apologized, and then he got banned. If you're admin wasn't an amateur and decided to record a demo in the first place, we wouldn't be in this situation right now, would we?

"Now I want a longer one for your what looks like to me a lack of gratitude for the nice way he unbanned you himself without letting me get to even get a word in. If you have a problem please feel free to talk to me I work out problems that players have with admins. Its my job and it saves players from being banned for flaming and being disrespectful to admins."
Lack of gratitude? your admin is spreading rumors on the main hidden:source forumns, how am I supposed to show any gratitude to someone who acts in such an unprofessional manner? Seriously, grow up.

[Silent-Er@sEr]

This is ended or I will end it. I understand you were pissed about the ban since MY! admin did not have solid Proof he unbanned you. you on the other hand instead of just accepting that you are unbanned Spout off and my Head admin " whom is 2FRAG4FUN Strong arm" Got involved. I allow my admins to judge as they will. Now No one is perfect and this is a public server but is privately owned. our admins make mistakes but we try to fix any that do come about. but exploding on our forums or going on to state 100 facts that we cannot prove " not saying your facts were lies" But come on if you are so much of a experianced on-line gamer you would know that even CAL players have been known to cheat we cannot just take every ones word on everything they say.
and yes some times player that did no wrong are banned and the ban sticks But with out admins that JUmp the gun or act quickly servers would be over run with cheaters. BTW we do not live in your house and so cannot know that you are or are not ghosting. Enjoy or stay here I hope that you can Understand the admins are here to protect you as well as other player experiance on our servers.

P.S. if my admin wants to TK a TKer untill they leave then they CAN without penalty.


feel honored i barley ever get involved thats Afrodans place.

[SOME-MIST]

This is ended or I will end it. I understand you were pissed about the ban since MY! admin did not have solid Proof he unbanned you. you on the other hand instead of just accepting that you are unbanned Spout off and my Head admin " whom is 2FRAG4FUN Strong arm" Got involved. I allow my admins to judge as they will. Now No one is perfect and this is a public server but is privately owned. our admins make mistakes but we try to fix any that do come about. but exploding on our forums or going on to state 100 facts that we cannot prove " not saying your facts were lies" But come on if you are so much of a experianced on-line gamer you would know that even CAL players have been known to cheat we cannot just take every ones word on everything they say.
and yes some times player that did no wrong are banned and the ban sticks But with out admins that JUmp the gun or act quickly servers would be over run with cheaters. BTW we do not live in your house and so cannot know that you are or are not ghosting. Enjoy or stay here I hope that you can Understand the admins are here to protect you as well as other player experiance on our servers.

P.S. if my admin wants to TK a TKer untill they leave then they CAN without penalty.


feel honored i barley ever get involved thats Afrodans place.
To TK a TKer is understandable. But to ban a non-tker because of an accidental TK even after he apologized? Do you guys really find that acceptable?

so what you're saying is, if you take awhile to investigate a player, the servers are going to be overrun with hackers? How hard is it to sit in spectate and record a demo? Investigations don't need to take weeks, or even days. Just how many hackers do you think there are in the small hidden community?

again, see my previous post, it's very obvious when someone is hacking in hidden and I don't know how you can deny that. An easy indicator is a player who is very skilled as IRIS but can't handle hidden. Hidden and IRIS skills go hand in hand. A person who can't control the hidden isn't going to have an easy time seeing a skilled hidden. And if you have admins that jump the gun, banning legitimate players, wouldn't that just make the already small community even smaller? If I was the owner of a hidden:server, I'd see it as more of an issue that admins are jumping the gun and banning legit players, rather than taking a bit to investigate.
http://forum.hidden-source.com/showthread.php?t=10646
but I see why you allow your admins to "jump the gun". They probably don't know how to investigate. I mean, he can't even record someones steamid from console correctly.

Plude claims that he has people who watches us, where's the demos? How are you supposed to convince people without any proof? No one has been able to answer this for me yet. He has demo's recorded of other players that he has caught hacking. Where is mine? Do you support that fact that your admins spread rumors on other boards? If you weren't aware, as soon as he posted that I was unbanned in this thread(for there not being proof) he went on to post this right after.
Insects and somemist are 2 different people they are on eachothers friend list and they both TK and toggle hacks witch they talk about in game like idiots they work together in the same server ive been watching them both for a while they are baned from 2frag4fun servers.
wasn't I just unbanned because the amateur admin can't provide a demo or proof? Why is he going on to say that we toggle? And you don't understand why I blew up on your boards? Don't be thick.

"But come on if you are so much of a experianced on-line gamer you would know that even CAL players have been known to cheat we cannot just take every ones word on everything they say."
I wasn't aware that hidden: source has leagues. Yes there are players that hack in leagues in OTHER games. and yes there are people that generally stay under the radar, but that's why leagues have anti-cheating teams that watch the personal demo's and review logs. They investigate. Do you think CAL would have such a big community if they went on to ban every person that seemed fishy? And as I've stated, it's WAY easier to spot a hacker in hidden than it is in first party games.

Games like counterstrike and TFC are easier to hack in, as there aren't invisible characters and there's people who actually care about those games to take the time and code something untraceable. In the last few years of TFC, there were multiple hacks distributed among the community (such as roaster john) to log the people who hacked and weed them out of leagues. Unfortunately, a TON of people were logged using it. I say it's unfortunate because some people just tested in out in servers to see what it was capable of doing. The ban list was huge and it ended up killing a couple of the leagues. The game's community wasn't big enough and league play died about a year before TF2 came out. There's one league now for TFC with about 8 teams in there. Take a look at the banlist and quite a few of the players were cleared after the release of TF2.
http://www.ugcleague.com/banlist.cfm
and TFC was a pretty big game in comparison to hidden.

"BTW we do not live in your house and so cannot know that you are or are not ghosting."
then what's the point of making the accusation?

[AfroDan]

i dont play the games you are talking about, but i might just ban you for being a dick. the admins do what they feel is right at the time, if they are wrong, fine.. they are human.... u coming on here and still arguing is not helping anything...

go ahead and reply.... i have an itchy finger

*edited: Just kinda finished reading your rants and raves....too much bs for me to read it all..

1- are you an admin here? - No
2- do u have any say in how this server is run? - No
3- are you a player here? - Not anymore
4- am i a dick? - Yes, to people like you
Damn it, why does everyone want my job.

[SOME-MIST]

well, now it makes sense why plude220 is an admin.

each admin that appears on this thread is even more thickheaded than the last

[AfroDan]

well, now it makes sense why plude220 is an admin.

each admin that appears on this thread is even more thickheaded than the last
Silent isn't a admin he is a founder of the community.

and we all have been part of this community long before you ever joined our server. For the most part no one is thick headed as you say. We just have a social understanding of the internet and its users. We run the servers you play on. We keep them as clean and free of hackers as possible. You play for free on our servers that cost real world money. We do not get paid for the time we admin. Going from spec to watch a play to playing to spec to playing is not my idea of fun for my "relaxing" time i spend playing. I comes to us that if you really cared about playing on our servers you would have gotten the hint when you were unbanned or even after my post. Reading your ramblings about yourself does not impress me. We all have real lives and you showing us how big your e-penis is just tells us that you play style might be wonderful but you have a bad attitude and have no respect for authority. he banned you, you cried, he unbanned you, you still go on a rant war with him. I warned you to stop you continued. Silent warned you and you continued. You got banned forever... I can say I saw it coming when your buddy was banned forever. You were just asking for it. My warning was clear if you had a problem with a admin talk to me not the world.

[SOME-MIST]

Silent isn't a admin he is a founder of the community.

and we all have been part of this community long before you ever joined our server. For the most part no one is thick headed as you say. We just have a social understanding of the internet and its users. We run the servers you play on. We keep them as clean and free of hackers as possible. You play for free on our servers that cost real world money. We do not get paid for the time we admin. Going from spec to watch a play to playing to spec to playing is not my idea of fun for my "relaxing" time i spend playing. I comes to us that if you really cared about playing on our servers you would have gotten the hint when you were unbanned or even after my post. Reading your ramblings about yourself does not impress me. We all have real lives and you showing us how big your e-penis is just tells us that you play style might be wonderful but you have a bad attitude and have no respect for authority. he banned you, you cried, he unbanned you, you still go on a rant war with him. I warned you to stop you continued. Silent warned you and you continued. You got banned forever... I can say I saw it coming when your buddy was banned forever. You were just asking for it. My warning was clear if you had a problem with a admin talk to me not the world.
understandable. I just hope in the future some of your admins learn to communicate better. None of it had to come to these forums, or the hidden-source main forums if he just discussed it with me in private in the first place.

I'm done ranting.

[Silent-Er@sEr]

Ok nuff said you are now being banned for being a disrespectful even after givin a second chance. so good bye and have a good time on some one else's server.